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Thank you, Alain, for your thoughts on this -- and for adding a few more words on the 4pour1000 initiative, which indeed illustrate your point on co-benefits. I agree that anyone 'taking the lead' will need convening power and the ability to identify and facilitate sharing of (co-)benefits, but as discussions in London reflected, shouldering such a responsibility requires time and money, so having resources and incentive to invest them in facilitating such initiatives are, I believe, also requirements.